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POLL: Which Great Alaskan version do YOU want?

25 to 26 foot Standard (the 'current' Standard, day-tripper/camper, 8'5" beam)
1 (8.3%)
27 to 29 foot Standard (current Standard, optimized for 28 feet rather than 26 feet, 8'5" beam)
3 (25%)
27 to 29 foot 'Camper Special' (current Standard, optimized for 28 feet, optimized for more weight forward, 8'5" beam)
4 (33.3%)
30 foot 'Camper Special' (current Kodiak, optimized for more weight forward rather than more weight aft, 9'4" beam)
4 (33.3%)
30 foot Kodiak (current Kodiak, designed for more weight aft, 9'4" beam)
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: April 19, 2025, 08:31:13 AM

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POLL: Which Great Alaskan version do YOU want?
« on: April 05, 2025, 08:31:13 AM »

My thoughts continue to churn on what additional versions of the Great Alaskan plans would be optimal.  The original Standard would be suggested for 25 to 27 feet long.  The 30 foot Kodiak, designed for commercial use (designed to carry more weight in the stern than a Standard) will also remain.  The middle lengths is where the question lies ... BUT if you wanted to start a new Great Alaskan build today, what would be your top 2 choices that you'd consider?
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Re: POLL: Which Great Alaskan version do YOU want?
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2025, 09:48:53 AM »
I have been back and forth on if I would want a beam wider than 8'6". We are hoping to tow quite a bit so I am thinking I should stick with the narrow beam. If I had a slip I would be looking for a Kodiak camper for sure.

It is really impressive what folks have done with the existing designs. I know I could do what I want with the plans as they are (with careful attention to balance). Having a hull that is optimized for a bit more weight in the house vs. cockpit would be a welcome addition for what I am looking to do.

I think it makes a lot of sense to have a camper version of both the standard and kodiak at some point (I voted for both, at first). I selfishly want the Standard Camper to be worked on first, so that's my vote.

Thanks again Brian for all your work and continuing to evolve your design. I never seriously considered building my own boat until I ran across the GA, this website and the folks who have shared what they have done. I am having fun and am learning a ton by researching and designing our ideal "adventure boat". Lots of other things still need to fall into place but I am really looking forward to making some sawdust at some point.





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Re: POLL: Which Great Alaskan version do YOU want?
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2025, 02:18:36 PM »
Note to self: Plus one for 30' Kodiak 'Camper Special'
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Re: POLL: Which Great Alaskan version do YOU want?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2025, 09:23:09 AM »
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Re: POLL: Which Great Alaskan version do YOU want?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2025, 12:33:26 PM »
So much depends to me on materials. With my foam-core plywood cabin and cabinetry, plus okoume plywood, I'm lighter than many, and the 28 ft standard is perfect.

On the Kodiak, I'm also torn. As-is, it's optimized nicely it seems for a fishing machine with twins, baitwell on the back deck, etc. However, there is definitely a case for the Kodiak camper special. So if I had to vote, we already have the standard Kodiak, so I'd vote for you to tweak things for a Kodiak camper special at 30 ft.

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Re: POLL: Which Great Alaskan version do YOU want?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2025, 02:45:07 PM »
Thanks, Dan..

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Re: POLL: Which Great Alaskan version do YOU want?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2025, 08:24:59 AM »
Thanks for all the replies - If you have not voted yet, let me point out that the last day of the poll is Saturday the 19th ... then I'll publish results and get going!

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Re: POLL: Which Great Alaskan version do YOU want?
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2025, 07:33:53 AM »
OK ... The poll is over.  I see overwhelming support for a more 'camper-ish' version of the design that allows more weight forward.  It also appears that at the shorter end of the spectrum (26 to 28 foot), optimizing for best trim at 28 feet is desired more than for the original 26 feet.  Also, in retrospect, a Standard re-optimized for 28 feet rather than 25 is very very close to a 'camper-ish' Standard that's also optimized for 28 feet - so why split that design?

OK, so here's the plan:

1. Keep current set of plans for those wanting a 26 foot boat.  Keep current set of plans around for 'Legacy' support and those that want to stretch the boat as we have been doing.

2. Because of the votes and how many Kodiaks are being built versus the Standard, next in line is a 'camper-ish' Kodiak, optimized for 30 feet.

3. Current Standard, camper-ish, optimized for 28 feet.

Feedback is welcome ...

PS: For the 'weight forward' optimizations, do NOT expect miracles ... changes will be 'in inches' and more of a tune, NOT a significant redesign or design changes.  The main difference in the 'camper-ish' versions will be a smallish movement of the center of buoyancy forward plus a minor shift of the CG towards the aft end of the acceptable window.
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Re: POLL: Which Great Alaskan version do YOU want?
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2025, 12:27:34 AM »
Excited to see the new updates, Brian! Whatever you produce will be amazing, I'm sure of that. I've been lurking around these forums for a few years now with this project in mind so I'm curious to get your thoughts on what might be possible with a tweaked XL Kodiak. I'm not much of a fisherman but I grew up in the Puget Sound and I've developed quite a soft spot for tug-style camping boats (something like a little Ranger Tug or Nordic Tug). In terms of weight, I'd want to load it out with all the live-aboard goodies (wet head, stove, oven, sliding side doors, solar panels and LiFePO4 batteries, and of course a fake smokestack). I'd probably take it up the inside passage in the summer with friends, so I'd like to maximize berth space too (thinking a v-berth up front, a drop-table settee berth in the cabin, and maybe even an aft cabin like in the Nordic Tug 32 or a small berth under the settee like in the Ranger Tug 31). I'm wondering how much of this is feasible and how much is just a fantasy in my head, curious to hear your thoughts on what all the constraints are!

I'm young and live in an apartment now, so I need to wait until I have a garage before I can start building anything. Anyway, feel free to file this away as a low priority. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts, TIA!

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Re: POLL: Which Great Alaskan version do YOU want?
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2025, 09:38:54 AM »
High Justin - good questions!  The biggest thing to keep in mind when comparing the Great Alaskan to the 'tug' cruisers, is the type of hull and what the trade-offs are.  There are 3 types of hull / boat designs in the world:

Displacement Hull - These just push through the water and are limited, hydrodynamically, to "hull speed".  Hull speed is the maximum speed the hull can travel through water without having to use exorbitant amounts of power, e.g. realistic powering limits.  The hull speed is 1.34 times the square root of the waterline length. Assuming a 29' waterline length on your tug, the hull speed is just 7.2 kts.
  • PROS: Super efficient, large load capacity, maximum cubic footage inside the boat (deep hull)
  • CONS: Slow, typically more expensive to build (there is a strong correlation between ship weight and cost to build ... think "dollars per pound to build this boat". Best efficiency is at half hull speed or slower.

Planing Hull - These hulls plane (skip across the top of the water) when travelling above their minimum planing speed.  The Great Alaskan series of boats are true planing hulls capable of high speeds.
  • PROS: Modest efficiency, lowest cost to build (lightest boat style), and fast!  Speeds on plan can range from around 10 kts to over 50 kts, depending on the boat's design, loading, and power.  Efficiency while on place is moderately high, higher than semi-displacement hulls but lower than true displacement hulls.  Planing hulls have the least cubic feet of interior volume due to more modest deadrise (the 'V' in a V-hull).
  • CONS: Least payload or carrying capacity of all, strict requirements on where the longitudinal center of gravity (LCG) must be located in order to plane with no bad habits or characteristics.  Very little flexibility in the payload and weight distribution in the boat due to the LCG requirements (LCG must be within 60% to 65% aft of the forward end of the waterline when in use). If you need more volume or weight capacity, then build one of the larger versions of the Great Alaskan.

Semi-Displacement Hull - These hulls are best described as a deep-hull planing hull that is too compromised in it's design to be able to achieve true planing.
  • PROS: High efficiency when speeds are limited to those described for displacement hulls (above) - a good work boat where most of the day is spent taking care of slower tasks (lobster boats etc).  Able to achieve faster speeds than a displacement hull since the boat can partially rise on plane, e.g. faster getting to/from port and the fishing grounds.  High payload capacity, although typically not as high as for true displacement hulls.
  • CONS: Only efficient when travelling slowly.  When partially on plane, e.g. "semi-displacement mode", this hull is the least efficient of all - the one and only advantage is it's higher speed than a displacement hull.

So ... given the explanations above, the answer for you is yes, you can use the Great Alaskan as you describe, but there ARE strict limitations on weight placement in the boat, and to a slightly lesser degree, limitations on how much weight you can put in the boat as well.  Given a basic, as-designed for typical usage, boat - additional weights added to the boat on either side of the LCG must be balanced out by an equivalent "moment" on the other side of the LCG.  A moment is the moment-arm (distance) times the weight of the item.  Gobble-dee-gook ... Best described with an example.  The Great Alaskan comes with a drawing(s) that show typical placements of motors (and their weights), fuel tanks, appliances, storage etc that show the 'expected' way to fill the boat with what you want in it.  The LCG is shown in the drawing (TBD - not added yet).  As a realistic example, if I add a 30 lb load, say a refrigerator, at 10 feet forward of the LCG, that creates a bow-down moment of 30 lbs times 10 feet, or about a bow-down moment of 300 lb-ft.  To balance the boat, I would need a moment of 300 lb-ft behind (aft of) the LCG.  For example, placing a 60 lb weight at 5 feet aft of the LCG would create a balancing bow-up moment of 300 lb-ft (60 lbs times 5 feet) and the LCG would stay in the same exact location.  To balance that refrigerator, I could perhaps locate the house battery near the stern of the boat ... or I could use a longer motor bracket or a heavier motor, or add a kicker motor if there were not already one on the boat.  Simple, yes?  LOL. 

The best idea is to try to keep the apple close to the apple tree and use the given layouts as a general guideline, and look at trim versus weight placements from what others have done.  You can of course ask me for guidance, and post questions in the Builder's Forums (the BEST idea) at https://www.glacierboats.NET .


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