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Re: 13 Bananas New Jersey Kodiak
« Reply #105 on: February 28, 2025, 05:31:07 PM »

Fantastic work and all that fairing is simply AMAZING!  Wow!

Thanks Brian

I agree with Brian and Dan. All the faring and sanding is over the top and going to make a beautiful boat. Love the boat

Thanks Djeffrey


The weather has been so good I took some time off from boat building. I built a new fence, a shed, and did a bunch of fishing

Back on it though and pushing to get the top coat on before it's 100's of degrees around here.

Most of the finish primer is on and still need to sand down to 320 grit. Man she's' a big girl for such a small sander haha.






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Re: 13 Bananas New Jersey Kodiak
« Reply #106 on: March 01, 2025, 08:26:17 AM »

Can't wait to see it all painted!  You'll enjoy the sprayer a lot more than the sander .. :D
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« Reply #107 on: March 30, 2025, 05:15:11 PM »
Good plan on the tank bonding.

If you go with Yamaha or Suzuki outboards, they have magneto-type charging systems with water-cooled rectifier/regulators that output full rated capacity reliably (minus what the engine uses). VERY differently, Mercury uses an automotive-style conventional belt-driven alternator. These can only be used long-term at about 50% of their rated output unless they are hot-rated and have external regulators (which I strongly doubt). Having not worked on a modern Merc, anyone here know if the Merc alternators are externally-regulated or do they have normal internal built-in regulators? You'll want to understand this very well given how much continuous electrical current you'll be needing. I'm curious to know more about the Merc alternators...

Amazing quality and thought put into this build.

The question about merc alternators, I have some info from the service manual below, also you can isolate the alternator charge wire for better charging performance.


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Re: 13 Bananas New Jersey Kodiak
« Reply #108 on: April 02, 2025, 01:40:53 PM »
Good plan on the tank bonding.

If you go with Yamaha or Suzuki outboards, they have magneto-type charging systems with water-cooled rectifier/regulators that output full rated capacity reliably (minus what the engine uses). VERY differently, Mercury uses an automotive-style conventional belt-driven alternator. These can only be used long-term at about 50% of their rated output unless they are hot-rated and have external regulators (which I strongly doubt). Having not worked on a modern Merc, anyone here know if the Merc alternators are externally-regulated or do they have normal internal built-in regulators? You'll want to understand this very well given how much continuous electrical current you'll be needing. I'm curious to know more about the Merc alternators...

Amazing quality and thought put into this build.

The question about merc alternators, I have some info from the service manual below, also you can isolate the alternator charge wire for better charging performance.

Thanks Rbob!

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Re: 13 Bananas New Jersey Kodiak
« Reply #109 on: April 02, 2025, 03:21:00 PM »
Good to see the alternator specs. However, note that they specify an AGM battery. Any AGM battery begins throttling its charge acceptance when it's at around 60% state of charge or so, meaning the battery will actually throttle the charge current coming from the alternator. These specs do nothing to tell us whether the alternators are "hot rated" meaning they can put out these currents continuously for hours, or if they are typical auto-style internally regulated types that must be de-rated ~ 50% for continuous operation (gyros, bait tank pumps/aerators, electronics, etc.). I don't have any Mercs on any of my clients' boats so far, so I've been unmotivated to do the research to figure this out, just waving a yellow flag to be sure to have this figured out if Mercs are in the picture.

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Re: 13 Bananas New Jersey Kodiak
« Reply #110 on: April 02, 2025, 05:36:02 PM »
Dan,

Can you elaborate, throttling the charge current?  This way beyond my pay grade for sure. ;D

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« Reply #111 on: April 02, 2025, 09:35:58 PM »
Rbob, the correct term to be aware of is a battery's "charge acceptance rate" CAR.
AGM and flooded lead acid batteries would have a relatively high CAR up to about 50-60% state of charge, then their ability to accept high charge current diminishes rapidly. This essentially "throttles" the charging current coming from the outboard. Given that a start battery is rarely less than 90% state of charge, the alternator almost never has to work full out. This is a good thing for any engine with a standard automotive type alternator with internal rectifier/regulator that is air cooled, because it means the alternator is only running "wide open" for a short amount of time and thus never overheats.

However, with lithium house batteries many of us have, the CAR is very high up to about 90=95% state of charge, meaning they WILL demand high current for sustained long periods of time from the alternator (via battery to battery charger or ACR or whatever), meaning the alternator now is working hard for a long period of time, and if it's a automotive air-cooled type, it WILL overheat unless you have somehow designed to limit the charge current to about 50% of the alternator's nameplate rating. You'll see this advice commonly for diesel engine cruisers, and it applies to the Merc outboards IF the alternators really have an air-cooled rectifier/regulator like auto styles do. That's what I'm trying to find out.


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Re: 13 Bananas New Jersey Kodiak
« Reply #112 on: April 03, 2025, 10:12:16 AM »
Dan, thank you for the explanation.  If I understand this correctly using a b2b charger such as the Orion-Tr Smart DC-DC charger would limit the amp draw to 30 amp max, Victron has a temp sensor for the alternator.  The Victron Orion XS is fully adjustable output, so maybe limiting output to 15amps would be better.


Cj8, sorry for the hijack.

This is a great build, cant wait to see more.  You are doing a great job.



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Re: 13 Bananas New Jersey Kodiak
« Reply #113 on: April 04, 2025, 07:06:12 PM »
I don't mind the hi-jack at all.  Great information. 

In a previous life, I was a journeyman electrician, power lineman, and an embedded software engineer.  I understood what Dan was talking about, but it made my head hurt.  lol. 

There is room in the transom for 4 each AGM batteries that Jake's already picked out.  The only issue in the back of my mind is the start up for the gyro which will be some intense power requirement.  There is plenty of room under the microwave to install some Lithium batteries later with some solar, if needed.


The exciting news is the topcoat paint with be flying around in the boat barn on Monday.  I'll get some pics up next week.
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Re: 13 Bananas New Jersey Kodiak
« Reply #114 on: April 06, 2025, 06:13:34 PM »
 :) That will be exciting

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Re: 13 Bananas New Jersey Kodiak
« Reply #115 on: October 09, 2025, 07:34:13 AM »
Wow. Almost 8 months since an update. Well, the fishing has been pretty good. lol

The Alexseal topcoat came out great. There are a few places I had to fix, but it wasn't the paints fault. We decided to have the pilothouse door open fully so I had to cut down the corbels on the roof overhang. This paint has the clear (the shiny part of the paint) distributed through out the paint. Any damage to the paint can be fixed by wet sanding and buffing.








The fish deck came out great with lots of room and storage. There are 2 small live wells and a nice insulated cooler. The floor storage lockers are also insulated for an ice hold or fish.








The pilothouse will have 2 captain chairs, dinette, fridge, and microwave.





There's still lots to do with the rigging, windows, electrical, and electronics, but we're hoping for a Spring 2026 launch.

--dave

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Re: 13 Bananas New Jersey Kodiak
« Reply #116 on: November 04, 2025, 04:41:06 PM »
Beautiful build!
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Re: 13 Bananas New Jersey Kodiak
« Reply #117 on: November 19, 2025, 11:22:39 AM »
Beautiful build!
   Thank you!

Finally, she's out of the barn.


















--dave